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		<title>Is grace-ful parenting even possible?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style " addthis:url='http://livethetrinity.net/2008/12/is-grace-ful-parenting-even-possible/' addthis:title='Is grace-ful parenting even possible? '  ><a class="addthis_button_facebook_like" fb:like:layout="button_count"></a><a class="addthis_button_tweet"></a><a class="addthis_counter addthis_pill_style"></a></div>Partly because pastors need to eat as well as feed and partly because I was sick of listening to the Jim Engster Show (which often is on NPR when I drive) I made an effort to find and download sermons &#8230; <a href="http://livethetrinity.net/2008/12/is-grace-ful-parenting-even-possible/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://livethetrinity.net/2008/12/is-grace-ful-parenting-even-possible/' addthis:title='Is grace-ful parenting even possible? ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style " addthis:url='http://livethetrinity.net/2008/12/is-grace-ful-parenting-even-possible/' addthis:title='Is grace-ful parenting even possible? '  ><a class="addthis_button_facebook_like" fb:like:layout="button_count"></a><a class="addthis_button_tweet"></a><a class="addthis_counter addthis_pill_style"></a></div><p>Partly because pastors need to eat as well as feed and partly because I was sick of listening to the Jim Engster Show (which often is on NPR when I drive) I made an effort to find and download sermons which I would listen to in my car.</p>
<p>I chose Paul Zahl now rector or <a title="All Saints Church in Chevy Chase" href="http://www.allsaintschurch.net/" target="_blank">All Saints Episcopal(?!?) Church</a> in Chevy Chase, Maryland and before that dean of <a title="Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry" href="http://www.tesm.edu/" target="_blank">Trinity Episcopal(?!?) School for Ministry</a> near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Zahl enjoys science fiction and old movies and rock music. I think (more on this in a moment) I like his theology which centers largely around the idea of <em>grace</em>. He often critiques the Christian church for (according to him) becoming largely centered around <em>law </em>and <em>judgment</em>.</p>
<p>He has a <a title="Sermons at All Saints" href="http://www.allsaintschurch.net/ASC_sermons.html" target="_blank">short series of sermons/talks</a> on parenting by grace. Rather than by law and judgment. Law and judgment are &#8220;do this or else&#8221; and &#8220;you disobeyed me what is your problem I am going to let you have it!&#8221; Zahl makes much of the Pauline argument that (1) human beings are naturally sinful/messed-up and (2) while law judges sin it does not improve behavior or increase love in fact it does the opposite &#8211; it sparks rebellion disobedience and anger. He gives a few examples of what parenting by grace might look like (such as when a son wants to move to live with a girlfriend the parents do not approve of, or when the teenage daughter in a devout evangelical family chews out her mother with vile language at the dinner table).</p>
<p>But still &#8211; while it is a great idea how <em>exactly</em> does one parent by grace? List the examples and the situations. Then tell me what <em>exactly</em> you say or do when your child (especially a teenager) speaks and behaves in certain ways?</p>
<p>For about the last two weeks I have been sharing this with my wife and trying it out even if imperfectly. Feeling my way clumsily through a principle that is long on power but short on specifics.</p>
<p>One daughter &#8220;cops an attitude&#8221; all day and is blatantly disrespectful to her parents at the dinner table. &#8220;Go to your room&#8221;. <em>No &#8211; I won&#8217;t.</em></p>
<p>(Wow. It is one thing when a child does something wrong. It is quite another when they will not even accept discipline for what they do wrong.)</p>
<p>We tried something along the lines of &#8220;your mother has spent a lot of time with you today, bought you some things, and that is why it is difficult when you treat her this way&#8221; and &#8220;we would like you to spend some time in your room so you can have some peace and quiet&#8221;. And although we threatened to make her stay in there all evening and not attend a major school function later that week&#8230; after about an hour we said &#8220;we would like to enjoy spending the rest of the evening with you&#8221; and &#8220;if you still want to go to this event you can find some ways to show that&#8221;.</p>
<p>Rather than <em>you are a disrespectful disobedient and ungrateful wretch and your </em>punishment<em> is&#8230; blah blah blah.</em></p>
<p>I thought that was roughly what &#8220;parenting by grace&#8221; might look like in this situation.</p>
<p>Last night our two children were fighting/arguing. Over something to do with the computer (often that or something to do with television). &#8220;We would like you to go to your rooms so that you can have a peaceful and quiet evening&#8221; and even &#8220;yeah that is frustrating that she got twice as many points on that website than you&#8221;.</p>
<p>They go to their rooms and start getting ready for bed.</p>
<p>I head back there to check on them and sure enough one child is in the other&#8217;s bedroom looking for and demanding something (a frequent problem and source of contention). I get that child into her room and try the &#8220;grace&#8221; approach. &#8220;Yes that is frustrating&#8221; and &#8220;How about you get ready for bed so that you can get enough rest for tomorrow?&#8221;</p>
<p>But she would not shut up. Kept beating the issue. <em>She has and I don&#8217;t and she has and I don&#8217;t and that&#8217;s not fair and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah&#8230;. </em>interrupting me and not stopping and not responding positively to my several minutes of trying to be non-law and non-judgment with her.</p>
<p>And that is when I lost it. Big time. Did and said things no father (let alone a Christian or a pastor) should say and do.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Either Zahl is brilliantly correct or stupefyingly wrong about all this. And frankly I cannot figure out what grace-ful parenting <em>specifically</em> looks like in these situations. &#8220;Don&#8217;t judge. Don&#8217;t throw the law at them. Forgive. Love. And always pray for them&#8221;. Sounds great in theory but <em>exactly</em> what does one do and say in various situations?</p>
<p>Frankly I am ready to give up on the whole enterprise. But law/judgment does not seem to work much better &#8211; all that seems to get is more disrespect back-talking and disobedience and certainly more contention in the home.</p>
<p>Is grace-ful parenting truly possible?</p>
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