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		<title>Comment on &quot;Why do Christians hate Obama?&quot; (or) How does one answer a broken question? by Website Hosting</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog is great source for information and great points you have shared here.</description>
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		<title>Comment on &quot;Why do Christians hate Obama?&quot; (or) How does one answer a broken question? by web hostings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Above the review is excellent.Each and every day i get it new topic through this blog.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it clear idea about your topic.Most of the people looking this kind of valuable tips.</description>
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		<title>Comment on &quot;Why do Christians hate Obama?&quot; (or) How does one answer a broken question? by web hostings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent written skills.Above all the points are explained very clearly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 07:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on &quot;Why do Christians hate Obama?&quot; (or) How does one answer a broken question? by Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.christianpost.com/news/i-hate-obama-pastor-draws-protestors-outside-church-40764/

An Arizona pastor who delivered the “Why I Hate Barack Obama” sermon was confronted by about 100 protesters Sunday outside his church near Phoenix.

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“It’s hard to believe we could have someone of a religious nature 
wishing our president was dead,” said protester William Crumb to KNXV-TV
 in Phoenix.

## Made up ? I think not. Presumably a pastor who, according to himself, hates Obama, knows what he means by the word. These people do exist. To pray for someone&#039;s death &amp; damnation goes far beyond what is usually meant by &quot;strong principled opposition&quot;. Though one could call the hatred of the Nazis for the Jews &quot;strong principled opposition&quot;.  The pastor&#039;s &quot;strong principled opposition&quot; to Obama is hate of Obama, nothing less. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Gospel - to try to rescue hate by calling it love only succeeds in dragging rown love until it becomes impossible to distinguish from hate. From such &quot;love&quot;, may God defend all of us !</description>
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<p>An Arizona pastor who delivered the “Why I Hate Barack Obama” sermon was confronted by about 100 protesters Sunday outside his church near Phoenix.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>“It’s hard to believe we could have someone of a religious nature<br />
wishing our president was dead,” said protester William Crumb to KNXV-TV<br />
 in Phoenix.</p>
<p>## Made up ? I think not. Presumably a pastor who, according to himself, hates Obama, knows what he means by the word. These people do exist. To pray for someone&#8217;s death &amp; damnation goes far beyond what is usually meant by &#8220;strong principled opposition&#8221;. Though one could call the hatred of the Nazis for the Jews &#8220;strong principled opposition&#8221;.  The pastor&#8217;s &#8220;strong principled opposition&#8221; to Obama is hate of Obama, nothing less. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Gospel &#8211; to try to rescue hate by calling it love only succeeds in dragging rown love until it becomes impossible to distinguish from hate. From such &#8220;love&#8221;, may God defend all of us !</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, I just passed this onto a colleague who was doing a little research on that. Thank for this imformation.</description>
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		<title>Comment on &quot;Why do Christians hate Obama?&quot; (or) How does one answer a broken question? by Lanabowright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lanabowright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who makes up these stories and these lies.   It is like the author of this story wants to recreate a problem and hatered</description>
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		<title>Comment on Recent poor attempt to address(?) same-sex relations and Christian tradition by Jack G Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack G Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having recently read Dudley&#039;s article, I wondered if there were any thoughtful responses on the internet. So I did some searching, and this is the best I found. It&#039;s not a good response.

You accuse Dudley of not having a thesis when his thesis is quite clear: &quot;my childhood community’s approach to gay rights—though well intentioned—is riddled with self-serving double standards.&quot;
He then provides four specific arguments to support that thesis.

You accuse Dudley of simplistic proof texting by showing how the only evidence we have of Paul&#039;s theology of nature is one that&#039;s completely at odds with modern Christian thought, and chalk this up to his assumed ignorance of supposedly great scholars like Robert Gagnon, neglecting to mention that even Gagnon acknowledges the 1 Cor. reference poses a problem for appropriating Pauls theology of &quot;nature&quot; in romans 1. 

You accuse Dudley of manipulating the Bible to support gay marriage when he doesn&#039;t argue in favor of gay marriage at all (re-read his thesis). 

And, most laughably of all, you reference a random blog post by an undergraduate student at Louisiana Tech, who makes a claim with no evidence to support it, to undermine a conclusion that&#039;s not at all controversial to those familiar with the relevant scholarship (i.e. Jovinian&#039;s views on the equality of marriage and family were indeed considered heresy, even if those weren&#039;t his only heretical views).

Your post adequately demonstrate why mainstream America is growing increasingly tired of Christians. Like most evangelicals, you are more interested in defending your party line than you are in serious conversation. 

That you accuse Dudley of being a bad writer when your blog post reads like a 10th grader&#039;s stream-of-consciousness journal assignment reveals the true reason for this blog post, which is not to engage in serious dialogue but simply to smear a person (who has much more academic credibility than you do) who challenges your comfortable beliefs. I want the last 10 minutes of my life back. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having recently read Dudley&#8217;s article, I wondered if there were any thoughtful responses on the internet. So I did some searching, and this is the best I found. It&#8217;s not a good response.</p>
<p>You accuse Dudley of not having a thesis when his thesis is quite clear: &#8220;my childhood community’s approach to gay rights—though well intentioned—is riddled with self-serving double standards.&#8221;<br />
He then provides four specific arguments to support that thesis.</p>
<p>You accuse Dudley of simplistic proof texting by showing how the only evidence we have of Paul&#8217;s theology of nature is one that&#8217;s completely at odds with modern Christian thought, and chalk this up to his assumed ignorance of supposedly great scholars like Robert Gagnon, neglecting to mention that even Gagnon acknowledges the 1 Cor. reference poses a problem for appropriating Pauls theology of &#8220;nature&#8221; in romans 1. </p>
<p>You accuse Dudley of manipulating the Bible to support gay marriage when he doesn&#8217;t argue in favor of gay marriage at all (re-read his thesis). </p>
<p>And, most laughably of all, you reference a random blog post by an undergraduate student at Louisiana Tech, who makes a claim with no evidence to support it, to undermine a conclusion that&#8217;s not at all controversial to those familiar with the relevant scholarship (i.e. Jovinian&#8217;s views on the equality of marriage and family were indeed considered heresy, even if those weren&#8217;t his only heretical views).</p>
<p>Your post adequately demonstrate why mainstream America is growing increasingly tired of Christians. Like most evangelicals, you are more interested in defending your party line than you are in serious conversation. </p>
<p>That you accuse Dudley of being a bad writer when your blog post reads like a 10th grader&#8217;s stream-of-consciousness journal assignment reveals the true reason for this blog post, which is not to engage in serious dialogue but simply to smear a person (who has much more academic credibility than you do) who challenges your comfortable beliefs. I want the last 10 minutes of my life back. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Recent poor attempt to address(?) same-sex relations and Christian tradition by Timothy Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: Dudley&#039;s position on Jovinian is indeed that taken by Dale Martin. I know because I read the book by Dale that Dudley alluded to. Here&#039;s a direct quote after Dale summarizes the Jovinian episode: &quot;It is highly ironic that modern promoters of modern Christian &#039;family values&#039; and the centrality of marriage and family for Christianity portray themselves as the supporters of Christian tradition. In fact, they would be considered heretics by the &#039;orthodox&#039; church fathers.&quot;

Of course, that doesn&#039;t mean Dale&#039;s argument is uncontroversial. I don&#039;t mean to say that there aren&#039;t scholars who would disagree, and you&#039;re completely right that we could play the &quot;you have your scholars I have mine&quot; game, but I still don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to accuse Dudley of bad scholarship based on the word of a random blogger (I don&#039;t know the blogger&#039;s credentials, but he appears to be an undergraduate student at Louisiana Tech) versus a conclusion supported by the former chair of the religious studies department at Yale. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: Dudley&#8217;s position on Jovinian is indeed that taken by Dale Martin. I know because I read the book by Dale that Dudley alluded to. Here&#8217;s a direct quote after Dale summarizes the Jovinian episode: &#8220;It is highly ironic that modern promoters of modern Christian &#8216;family values&#8217; and the centrality of marriage and family for Christianity portray themselves as the supporters of Christian tradition. In fact, they would be considered heretics by the &#8216;orthodox&#8217; church fathers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, that doesn&#8217;t mean Dale&#8217;s argument is uncontroversial. I don&#8217;t mean to say that there aren&#8217;t scholars who would disagree, and you&#8217;re completely right that we could play the &#8220;you have your scholars I have mine&#8221; game, but I still don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to accuse Dudley of bad scholarship based on the word of a random blogger (I don&#8217;t know the blogger&#8217;s credentials, but he appears to be an undergraduate student at Louisiana Tech) versus a conclusion supported by the former chair of the religious studies department at Yale. </p>
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